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Having pain can be debilitating making it difficult to focus on anything else. What if the root cause of pain in your body could be coming from an unexpected source. Manual Release Therapist Edan Harari explores some interesting theories on where pain comes from and offers some effective alternative solutions.
Pure Green Podcast: Edan Harari
Ross: Welcome to PG podcast. Thank you all for tuning in here on Instagram live. And we have a very special guest today. His name is Don Harari, and he a manual therapist who specializes in helping you to be pain free. Too many people suffer from pain to be very debilitated. So here on the PG podcast, we like to talk about optimal wellness how to get into an optimal state how to perform your best and if you're suffering from pain you definitely want to pay very close attention. So Edan, welcome. Thanks so much for being here with us. So, can you tell our viewers a little bit about yourself and what you do?
Edan: Sure. So, I help people in pain. I do that with many different tools and techniques. When I say tools, I'm talking about modalities not actual hands on tools and I help people with specifically techniques that work with the body in the nervous system. So my specialty is working with primarily the nervous system, although I'm working with all dimensions mobile dimensional approach to healing. That's based on the OP, you know about osteopathy.
Ross: Tell me about it.
Edan: So, the osteopathy is a form of physical medicine that is, you know osteopaths or medical doctors that are DO’s, doctors of osteopathy, who are trained in hands on manual therapy techniques in addition to being doctors they can prescribe medications and things like that. So, some of the work that I do is developed by osteopaths and medical doctors who are actually one of the guys was a martial artist and a judo instructor and a medical doctor who was looking at all dimensions of healing. And that's one of the systems that we'll get into soon talk about because that's pretty powerful work. We can really heal a lot with manual medicine.
Ross: Your practice is still in New York. Is your office still in the flatiron?
Edan: Yes. Actually, I'm over the assemblage in nomad right now. And then I'll go to John Street once in a while as well as someone else in a coworking space. Really, if you guys haven't check that out, go check it out.
Ross: Good. And tell me so your clients who come in like typically what type of clients do you see as Gormley people who are suffering from different types of pain and they just want to make the pain go away. Or is it people who they are just in great health and just they just want to optimize their health?
Edan: Honestly, most people are in pain. And it's like it's funny because I used to have a lot of people who are trying to optimize their performance when I worked that like a cross fit gym. So, like I had people were like I want to be able to do better you know deadlift or whatever and then I would help them, or I want to perform better as an athlete. But now for some reason the past year or two I'd say it's like a lot of just people with pain coming to see me because somebody told them go see him he can help you out. And he does this ortho bionomy stuff and like people can even pronounce it or remember the name and then yeah. So that's kind of how it goes.
Ross: So describe your typical client. What type of pain are they suffering from? And what type of clients get bassets, like you can give them like instantaneous relief of pain?
Edan: I treat all types of humans, when I say that I mean all shapes and sizes. I just came from a client right now at my home in Brooklyn. She's in her early 80s and she's in a walker. she's in pain and I got her to walk straight and be pain free and we're preventing her from going to surgery.
Ross: How long did it take?
Edan: So, she had trouble walking. And you basically like smooth it out, like she's able to walk fluid.
Edan: it's hard to talk about these results when we're still in treatment. Because the thing is, that you know in a week or two you know she may have some more pain. Coming up, we have to continue the treatment, so we're not fully done with the program. However, I'm really happy and excited with the results. Another thing is like someone like her and another comparison is like working with you know a child who has pain in their leg from soccer practice and their mom from the Upper East Side calls me and says, “help me help my son”. And then one session on the table Doug you know so kids heal really quickly. The reason why I'm saying about for this for the woman who is in her 80s and you know the walker it's going to be a process and a program that we have worked together for a certain period of time usually around 10 sessions at least for chronic cases like hers. And then eventually, we're able to get them pain free living and possibly once a month to tune-up maybe.
Ross: Wow that's incredible. And I remember when you treated me for the first time, I was kind of taken back a little bit because I'm used to going in the fitness center for the spa, so I'm used to a large manual massage therapy. When you go in for a session, you take off your clothes and you fall asleep and they work on you. And I remember your session was really different. Keep my clothes on, and it's an active session. Can you describe how you treat your clients?
Edan: Sure. Interestingly enough I work out of a coworking space, sometimes I'll work in the middle of the office.
Ross: Someone's just at their desk and you just you're doing the thing on them?
Edan: Yes. There you can work in all positions in all environments, if you work with the tools. If you understand the principles of this work or the work that I do taps into the nervous system and self-correction of the body the body is going to heal itself within seconds. When we work with shifting the environment. So what you're doing with the juice and everything, is you're shifting the environment, the internal environment of people's body and then how gets activated. So the work that I do with my hands is like cold pressed juice to your body because what's happening is we're actually activating different types of situations, specifically chemical situations in the body neurological you know kind of processes that will actually shift your body into a different state. So it activates health sort of like homeopathy. sometimes I don’t like to bring up homeopathy because there's a lot of skeptics out there but what homeopathy does, is actually cures. So the body will actually heal itself when we introduce the same type of energetic vibe. You can take a snake venom kind of solution which will which cause inflammation, but your body then gets activated to heal itself from the inflammation. So what I do is your shoulders are up to your ears. I don't push them back down. I exaggerate the pattern. Bring your shoulders further up towards their ear towards your ears so your body is like oh shit I need to heel and shoulders drop.
Ross: All right. So let's say let's say. And if this is relevant, you're at your desk right now working, in your work and you're watching this so this could be very relevant to you. So let's say you go into the office treat a client they're at their desk and you could tell the shoulders are leg up to the gears a little bit you could tell like all the tension like it's coming from that you know the traps and their posture is all off. And so you see this, what do you do?
Edan: I will heal the symptoms. So if the symptom is that the shoulders are tied and they have pain I'm actually going to release the tension from their physical body. And then I'll go in and dive deeper to try to figure out what the cause of the symptom is to make sure that never comes back. So again, I've released their first rib blood say a lot of times the first rib is elevated and pressing against the upper traps you mentioned the upper strap muscles and so we always think that like oh the upper straps are tight. But oftentimes actually if you guys press and you can feel that in between your chromium process this bone here and your neck right in the middle you can feel if you feel it underneath upper strap muscles you can feel a little bit of a bony kind of texture right and that's the first read. The first and it gets elevated and it presses against the upper traps love people like what do you mean the ribs ripped down here. No the first rib. Way up here. It's actually supposed to be below the clavicle which is the collarbone. So what I'll do is drop that down doing a certain technique from Ortho on me which is one of the influences of my work of kinetic release therapy and the economy is again working like homeopathic medicine in that we're exaggerating patterns right. So what's happening is we're so we can drop that first trip down by doing a specific isometric hold where we're contracting the shoulder pushing it down against a resistant force which then causes the rib to drop down because the body is like I can go now.
Edan: Right. So we're actually working with neuro muscular facilitation which is like BNF which is a lot of the personal trainers and physical therapist a massage therapist. They understand that technique we can use that technique to drop that first trip down and then all of sudden, upper traps are soft. Then we can release them body that's going around right now a lot of people are talking a lot about it. It's really important that we understand the system of the fossil system not just in my own fashion. The fossil system is everywhere in our body. And what I focus on is the ground substance of the fascia which is the deeper component which actually gets lasting results. So for instance if you go to someone and they're doing like a forceful manual massage technique with your back or you're doing a stretch or you're doing yoga very often that's going to affect the elastic component of the fascia which is very very very temporary. So you can have great results for 20 minutes two hours a couple of days but then everything comes back because the fascists are very adaptable.
Edan: However, it's the ground substances. In other words, if the ground substance was adaptable we'd be like Gumby right. We wouldn't have this this whole balance in our body to hold our bones up and everything in space otherwise we'd just be stretching and like all of us.
Ross: So little let's rewind for one second. The first thing you could tell someone's traps that are up to their ears.
Edan: Yeah you go in there and you basically push down the shoulder which affects the first rescuers your ascent. So what I'll do is I'll do an isometric hold where I'll have them hold their shoulder up in a certain position you have them push down to the floor.
Ross: Is this something that our viewers can do? Slowly walk us through it.
Edan: We can do this as self-care too. So, this is the thing. Everything that I do, I always at the end of this treatment program, teach the client where the patient is. Some physical therapist calls themselves their patients. What I do is teach them how to maintain or how to prevent it from ever happening again. So we're really looking at treating the cause and also making sure that we're preventing it from ever coming back.
What I would do is, let's go ahead and do right now if you're watching and you have time traps right now this is what you should do.
Edan: Yeah. Try this out. So, we're going to do is we're actually going to place our hand underneath our armpit and it's a little weird, but you're going to place your hand under armpit then we're going to do is you're going to try to pull that shoulder up to your ear. Then with that hand, you try to let go of your shoulder. It's not easy technique by you like a shoulder you can get another shake it out and let your other hand pull.
Edan: And when it's relaxed then you're going to force the shoulder down to the floor by trying to visualize yourself pushing your shoulder down towards the floor for a total of five seconds.
Edan: So in five four three two one you’re then going to let go of the arm and let it drop down naturally with gravity. Yeah. So, the goal here. I do feel a little bit of a little bit of a release. So the thing is that you feel it's great because you're tuned into people who are not tuned into their body. You want to try it a few times and you want to make sure that your shoulders loose.
Edan: The best thing to do is just tested on one side and then press in with your hands right over here in this space here with upper traps and see if it loosened up and if not, you can try it behind a chair. OK. So instead of placing your hand here you can actually go back use it to share the chair back. Yeah right. And then push down and then slide the arm off the chair. Does that make sense. Yeah. So this is an ortho Bionomy self-treatment exercise.
Edan: There's a great book by one of my colleagues Len Overmeyer. It's called the ortho Bonomy self care you know book. I think it's what's called. So it's it's great. And I also have a video program online with one of my instructors where it shows you how to do this online. In this program called the body ease program and we also have some free YouTube videos as well.
Ross: Great. I love this because I get people who are just at their office they don't take time out of their day to go somewhere they could just do these little stretches and exercises like at their desk that's great. Obviously if they come see you and you do it for them that's like the next level that's like the shotgun.
Edan: So this is the thing. So there's certain things that I can do with people with humans and their bodies with my hands or energetically through Skype because I actually work people through Skype around the world. There's certain things that only I can do when I say only I mean me as a professional as a practitioner. And then there's other things that we can as practitioners teach you guys out there who are not practitioners to do on your own body for self treatment and self care and maintenance and prevention. However a lot of people out there are looking online to try to heal themselves right because the doctors aren't helping them. Right. So not you know not to say anything bad about doctors but you know doctors are never going to really tell you go through the self care exercise right. Right. So you know it's a lot of people out there trying to get fixed and trying to fix themselves. But what I'm here to say is that we're not broken and that we can find healing and healing when the body heals itself and the self-correcting mechanisms of the body. If we actually figure out these principles that I teach I teach principles that when you apply these principles into your life and into your body and into your world you will achieve healing. Right now, it's healing is to heal from an ailment but that could mean that you're just uncomfortable in your body and you want to bring in mobility and comfort into your body right.
Edan: So that's essentially healing as well. Right. So it's sort of like a recovery right. What's recovery is to recover to bring back the health of bring back the ease. Right. And so that's what it's all about. And so it's what I love is that you don't have to have a practitioner but if you are suffering from a chronic condition you're not able to help yourself if you're trying all these videos that I have that YouTube has that all these people are telling you to do that all these physical therapists out there are teaching you to do with your body. You're not getting results that you want to find a practitioner such as myself. And we are all over the world there's just very few people who do the modalities that I practice. One of them being ortho Bionomy which we mentioned which is the self care thing that we just did. Another one is barn's mile Fascher at least. John Barnes is a physical therapist who's been around for many years and he developed a system of healing to work with the Foshay the connective tissue. And then there is another modality which is kinetic release therapy which is my modality which combines all these different modalities including some of the philosophy behind John Saros work and healing back pain which we spoke about earlier.
Ross: Well let's talk about that a little bit. OK. Interesting stuff.
Edan: Yeah. So John Sarno was a really wise man who just really brought about a lot of awareness around psychosomatic dysfunction.
Edan: So what I've heard from Mr. Wright is we start to go this direction that some people like are skeptics like their eyes were blocked. Randi a lot of the surgeons out there like this is Wuhu stuff right. But what's interesting about Dr. John Sarna is some of his patients and like big evangelists are Howard Stern Larry David to talk about critical people like elaborate Larry David complains about every ailment right. So if he's getting in like unbelievable relief from this like this guy to be like something there something's going on. Yeah I mean listen Howard Stern talked about his story about how he was doing like radio shows and had to literally lay down on the floor in between the shows because the pain was so bad. And a lot of people don't know that. So John Sarna helped him you know by making him aware that his painting and maybe your pain whoever is suffering from pain out there may be coming from a emotional suppression of some kind could be anger it could be anxiety it could be just frustration which is essentially anger right. So there are certain kinds of ways that we show up in this body of ours we're not just this physical structure right. We're not just like the biomechanics and we're not just the mechanical aspect of ourselves we're actually much more than that were energy energetic beings right. So whether or not you believe in energy work and like working with energy essentially acupuncture right. He's also working with a form of energy, so you know we're also emotional beings right. So we have different types of dimensions because we're multi-dimensional beings in this body. So I think it's important for the skeptics to realize that OK we can't separate systems you know the more we separate systems with our mind the less results we're going to get. So if you're skeptical but you're not getting results with your doctor or your physical therapists or your chiropractor then maybe see if you can try other modalities maybe not necessarily Reiki if it's a little bit too for you right. But what about going to different things like Bionomy or barn's while Fascia release right or homeopathy.
Edan: And if homeopathy is to rule for you or you don't believe that you're skeptical then try this type of manual therapy which is like the homeopathy. But the thing is is that these principles are the same. It's like cures like the body's self corrects the body can heal itself. Everybody knows that is why some people when they're in pain are like I'm just going to wait it off like the old timers are like I'm going away it'll go away because most of the time it does. However, when it doesn't that's when you need to seek help. Right. So same thing with mental illness which is something that I'm really passionate about. It's like if you're not getting results right with your healing with your practitioner with your therapist with your medication seek help. Now I bring that up only because of the missing of turn of events of late. All these people committing suicide right. There's so many people out there who are suffering on the inside but outside they're actually looking happy and successful. And it's important that we bring this up and that we really talk about that just a drop and just be like hey guys awareness let's put some awareness out there that just because somebody is happy or seems happy there's much more than meets the eye.
Edan: So with the Surnow method someone suffering from back pain it may not necessarily be a structural issue with the vertebrae it could be something else could be emotional. I'll tell you a story when I was 8 years old. I'm 38 right now. You're my same age. Give us an image that their 90-year-old woman. So, when I was eight years old 30 years ago I had a pain in my sock. So, my parents rushed me to the E.R. and one of the surgeons there like just like who's read operate it took out a scalpel it's like he's ready to start slicing and dicing me. And parents like hold on let's get a second opinion. It took another surgeon. They're like same thing. We got to operate like it could be like you know you could actually die right that's like that's like surgeons are like almost like the ultimate salesman right. Because they have so much leverage. Right. If you don't do the surgery like that the leverage is that like oh you could your pendants will blow up you could die. They forced you to do it. Luckily what happened was my parents took me to our family physician to get a third opinion. He was like listen this was 30 years ago like today actors can't say these things because they can get sued like there's so much liability factors and concerns. But he's like you know what give the kid a few days a week and let's just see if it goes away on its own. Sure. A few days later I was fine.
Edan: These other surgeons they just want to operate on the eight-year-old when and they think they know what's going on. So this is the thing. If you're a surgeon you're going to know surgery if you're into Juice's you're going to know juice. Right. If you're into you know manual therapy you're going to know manual therapy. So I think it's you know you know we know what we know. So you know I used to like blame like doctors and surgeons.
Ross: Now I'm realizing more and socializing with them so the more I realized this is what they know. Yes, are good people but that's all they know. They're doing their job but that's a lot of like what they studied it's like antiquated like all the textbooks are so old and when they come out with new procedures like new surgeries things that are antiquated you still saw all these doctors they just didn't get that information yet. And it's maybe like another 10 years where they're still doing these antiquated methods because they just don't know. There's no alert that's sent out to all the doctors.
Edan: This is the thing to do research is a very expensive thing. And also it takes a long time especially in Western medicine. Everything that comes out as like a medical study that you know when they know that they start using these treatment protocols it's usually years later. OK so we as the general public cannot rely on that. We need to actually educate ourselves and we need to educate our doctors. Yeah you know and that's what it's about like Hey guess what doc. You know you're telling me to do this book. I heard about this. What about that. And if they're like I don't know right then. Then you've got to be like doing your research. Right. And because this thing is like I've had doctors who want to just you know surgically wanted to operate with some of my clients and I told my clients whatever you do just give me a chance. Yeah and don't do the surgery. And I was able to get them pull through now and my own shoulders I have half a partially torn labor among both shoulders. I do handstands every day. How do I do that pain free with my rehab exercises and specifically strengthening my shoulders and most general public most people in general public have no idea that we can do that and prevent ourselves from surgery if we want to.
Edan: We have mostly will no idea and this is very different if you are an athlete who's relying on your shoulders. If I was in Cirque du Soleil I'd probably go you know fix those shoulders with the surgery, you know and just make sure that I'm like solid. However, I can live without the pain. I can live pain free. Most of the time so there sometimes when I don't do my exercises the pain starts coming back but then I know I go to my rehab and I'd rather do that than do the surgery. So I think that this thing is like surgically cut into someone's body. It causes trauma it causes other dysfunction in the fossil system everything causes scar tissue causes a host of other issues. So I recommend before you get cut into that you really do your research and you make sure that it's a life or death situation because honestly I've been through so many surgeries in my past from hypo speedier repair which is like this urinary tract dysfunction from when I was born to it like a surgery on my side which is another urinary tract dysfunction of like the Yeard are blocked to Achilles tendon ruptured in my leg. Right. And so all these surgeries have literally traumatized my nervous system. And I do a lot of healing afterwards to make sure that I can shake off all that trauma from my body.
Edan: And so our tissues remember all of those traumas. So now if somebody can punch you in the face right now and somebody else is giving you a deep tissue massage with their elbow and your back. Your nervous system may not know the difference right because you're paying for that massage and you're saying this is therapeutic. Right. So you're thinking OK this is helpful for me. However your nervous system might think otherwise. So for someone like me who's been through a lot of surgeries and traumas that elbow is threatening fact acupuncture is brilliant. But for someone like me who's that sensitive I can't do acupuncture I've done it several times. Every time I do it it kind of gets me like stress and it causes my body to go into this trauma response. And sometimes more than others right depending on my mood that day. And so it's maybe not the best option for someone like. And then you know I work with kids too. And so what I love about let's say some of the modalities I'm doing is that they're really gentle and safe for anyone of any age in any condition. So it just it's poor people know that there are other options than what they know about the general.
Ross: So if people listening are interested in learning more where do they go.
Edan: I would say they could check out kinetic body therapy dot com which is my Web site because on my website it lists all the modalities that I use and then they can maybe find a practitioner in their area. Does some of those modalities they can do the research to look behind all these different modalities and principles that I work with. You know another technique that I work with in terms of trauma and releasing motions from the body is this technique called were gone. I mean which is based in Willhelm life kind of psychotherapy and body therapy and very advanced very well.
Edan: Not many people know about it. It seemed like ortho Bionomy it's very in my opinion. My eyes like very advanced that people are not aware about it. And there's not many practitioners who do it. So that's why it's still off the radar the Internet. So yes, all my Web site has a list of all that and has all the resources there. There's also you know my YouTube channel as well. And then from there they can continue to do their research on all the different modalities that I use which are essentially part of my system of kinetic Willey's therapy which is something that I had had to come up with because I realized that all the other modalities that I practice didn't have a combination of mind body spirit you know medicine that can be used to heal people. Right. I don't bring up like the spirit very much because all people who are like oh that's right that's something totally separate. But the truth is is that I work with the spirit as well. Now what I mean by that is like let's just say mood and happiness when you're in good spirits and you feel good then you're less likely to suffer from pain. Yeah let's keep it really simple. Yeah.
Ross: It's all about just the in a state of optimum performance. And there's one question that I ask you everyone to have on the show which is tell us about like you're pretty much everyday water. What are some of the things that you do just to achieve optimal health whether it supplements exercise stretches daily habits. Walk us through just some of those things because our viewers can pick up on some of the things that really resonate with them.
Edan: Yeah. Well every day I make sure that I incorporate some sort of movement practice. So the movement practice now that's very popular is Yoga, let’s say right. But that's just one movement practice. What about dancing. What about you know just moving your body right. So I think moving your body in non-linear patterns is the best so that even yoga can sometimes get very linear. Right.
Edan: So if you're like a climber was like I move a lot every day I walk like this many steps and he's showing me all the steps that he does on his. You know the Fitbit or whatever and I'm like yes but that's not going to improve your fossil elasticity. Sure. Right. So dynamic movement right. So what that means is something different every day. I mean even like I skateboarded over here. Right. So it's just I'm always moving and I'm always active. But the thing is you want to vary it up so varied movement is key. So I won't do it every day like the same practice so what I'll do is let's say you know trampolining is something I can throw in for five minutes every day. I have a trampoline at home. Rebounding is really good for the lymphatic system. Absolutely certain things like that hanging upside down and decompressing my spine with an aerial hammock is tremendous effort you know and that's a great tool for decompressing the spine which maybe in the next podcast we could talk about the herniated disks and all that. Absolutely. But I really think that that's helpful to decompress the body for mobility sort of benefit from the inversion.
Edan: I had an inversion table for a while. Thing is it's a big contraption it takes up so much space you live in a New York City kind of ruins the aesthetic of your apartment totally. So what are some things you mentioned the alternative. What's this hammock.
Edan: Yes. Believe it or not. So my Web site actually promote these guys who have a hammock for pretty affordable rates like 8 or something and maybe just like a 1 dollar trial for a month. The thing is this big asteroid underneath your bag you can actually like just travel with it would you hang it from you hanging from your doorway or from the ceiling or from a playground or from the gym or from like any sort of bar. You know that is strong enough but ideally you want to have some sort of structure that you can hang it from. And there's a lot of information online about what it's got. So it's called the yoga body trapeze OK. The reason why I like this these guys because it's affordable and it comes with handles so people who are older who can't go into an inversion can use the handle's to actually go in and have the inversion and essentially like what you do is you wrap it around you sit down into it and then you flip over and infer. So even someone who's much older can do that safely with the handles as long as they're not feeling pain or discomfort and they check with their physician of course. But it's so much better than you know inversion table which is this massive. Yeah it was me looking thing and also inversion tables in gravity boots which a lot of people are more familiar with hold you from your ankles. Yeah the issue with that is that it's really far from the point of where we want the decompression because it's a lot of stress on the ankle too little to hear about that.
Ross: In college we had a huge college weight room and it had a pair of the inversion boots and I was like an overachiever in college, so I tasked them to pull a fire out. I was like just hanging upside down to get the benefits of the version that I had also do crunches. So this one time I did like 50 crunches. I was inverted. And then I got so tired I couldn't get back up to take off the boots. My buddies were just like laughing. My goodness. So it wasn't big fat that they would have they could have really. Embarrassed me on Instagram totally. So they had to come and help me and taking on such an embarrassment. So you got to be careful with those.
Edan: That's why I don't recommend the gravity boots personally. And then there's a lot of like when I was across the gym right in New York here they were using that, and I was like guys what about this. This gentle silk wig tries something different it's like this fabric that you put around your waist and you might look like a circus artist but that's OK. You know it's fun and people are using yoga straps as well for that and there's certain yoga studios can hang you from there as well with certain straps. So you try something against Enron. I get the benefits some version. When you do a handstand, what's happening you're only getting them Virgin benefits of like actual like blood flow and circulation just like a headstand. But you're still compressing the joints want to compress the joints so that's what I care about and that's why I do this acrobatic pardoner work called acro kinetic mobilization which you can see on my YouTube. I literally lift people up off the floor. People of all ages including kids on my feet.
Edan: So it sort of looks like a stroke. So that's an interesting distinction. Sort of really decompressed the spine. You need something really taking that weight off. Exactly. You need to work with grand in that way to take the weight off of the spine and the body and make sure that you're decompressing the spine using gravity.
Edan: The issue is that you compress the spine with handstand there's no difference seeing that and like actually sitting in this chair and compressing the spine with the weight of your head which is the weight of a bowling ball compressing onto your spine all the way down to your sacrum and to your lower back. And so it's important that we do the opposite of that as much as possible and then we decompress our spines daily. And if you don't have an aerial sic silk and find somebody you can do something like acro yoga therapeutics with you. Achree Yoga is very popular right now for a good reason right. So there is a way to decompress just fine with a partner. If you don't have access to aerial hammock which is great for me because I don't at this coworking space we don't have an aerial hammock set up. So what I do is just lift people off their feet you know with with my feet or my hands and actually decompress or spine that way. That's awesome.
Ross: All right so give us a few more of your best.
Edan: So meditation got huge for me. I practice Vedic meditation or mantra meditation. And you know honestly homeopathy I wouldn't be here right now if it wasn't for it because I got off my medication I was on for 15 years with the use of homeopathy. So there's only so much that meditation can do and yoga can do for us. I think it's really important that we realize that there's other modalities that are much more potent such as homeopathy which is you getting a remedy. You're actually replacing medication which you can do over time responsibly with the practitioner and so. So yeah honestly just movement as medicine is all you can say and then and then homeopathy like those are the two biggest things for me. And then everything else is all like you know aspects of that awesome I love you so much for being on the show this was awesome.
Ross: Your wealth of knowledge. And one more time if someone wants to visit your site to learn more about modalities that you practice where do they go?
Edan: They go to kineticbodytherapy.com. I have a ton of stuff on YouTube and I'm going to put more videos on for people for just free information, content and education resources and exercises
Ross: All right guys thanks so much for tuning in. We'll see you next time on the podcast.